Bronze VIP Archive for November 30, 1999
Warning! Possible Spoilers!!
- Jane Espenson (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:49:19 1999 205.188.199.164)
I've gotta go now. Tim said I order him around, but really it's the reverse and I have a big writey thing to do for him... (well, okay, really for Joss, but Tim was, you know, there).
Anyway... always a blast everybody! Be back soon!
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- Jane Espenson (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:44:59 1999 205.188.199.138)
Oh sure, sign me up for the Evil Joss thing. I'll even bring Cheez Puffs to the meetings.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:44:41 1999 171.217.133.33)
One last clean up post: I don't know what you mean, very nice person with very long posting name, about writing S&S as if I were from New York. I was born in NY, if that helps? Still don't know just what you mean.
But I'm not sure it matters where one was born. I've written many things I know nothing about. Heck, practically anything I've written I know nothing about.
Solas, I don't think Vampires can have children, but if you mean a child turned into a vampire, I love Claudia, but think A. Rice has covered that territory pretty well.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:38:50 1999 171.217.133.33)
I worship Jane, as well. Though I am an agnostic. It's not that I don't believe she exists, I just don't think we will ever be able to prove it.
Will Harry return? Always that chance. Will I? Hope so, but for now must go. Thanks all.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:34:48 1999 171.217.133.33)
So far I'm having the most fun on Angel. I have to say that my favorite self created character will appear in ep 11.
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- Jane Espenson (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:33:50 1999 205.188.199.206)
Hi again! Not really gonna hang around tonight -- all the glory should go to Tracey and Tim tonight.
But... Kim! asked a good question about assigning writer's credit. We all work on the story together (= Joss comes up with it). But the person who gets the credit is the person who converts a blackboard full of scribbles into fifty pages of action and dialogue. On a sitcom, it is much more thoroughly collaborative and the name of the writer is often very arbitrary. But not at Buffy/Angel.
Bye!
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:31:24 1999 171.217.133.33)
Angus -- Joss told them... er, I mean... who can fathom the black heart of a nazi? Also, they wanted a thingy that wouldn't harm pure race demons and only wipe out human blood folks. Kind of like zapping the people and leaving the building standing kind of deal.
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- Jane Espenson (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:27:24 1999 205.188.199.184)
Oh everyone already knows that I'm evil!
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:27:01 1999 171.217.133.33)
Solas -- we make it up. Er, I mean, that is... Joss tells us. Frankly.
Though when I was on The X-Files I used any number of paranormal books, and often went to other holy books. There's a great resource called The Encylopedia of The Paranormal -- I think that's what it's called. Often I steal from movies. Or Jane Espenson orders me around a lot.
and Jane?
eat
your
heart
out
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:23:00 1999 171.217.133.33)
It's true, I am of the evil.
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- Jane Espenson (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:22:23 1999 205.188.199.184)
Oooh. Look at Tim, posting in the fancy colors
and everything.
but can he do
this?
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:20:22 1999 171.217.133.33)
Solas, might you repeat the question? Getting lost in the scroll. Hi, Tracey F.! Thanks Angus and to the person posting under the lost city name thingy that I can't recall -- I was raised in Southern Califonia.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:16:56 1999 171.217.133.33)
Co-written with Howard Gordon, Nu. With all honor and tribute to Joss and David. They made me do it!
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:14:29 1999 171.217.133.33)
- Could be spoilerish? One can never be too careful...
If they ever want Sabrina's flesh to melt off her bones, I'm their guy.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:13:55 1999 205.188.192.44)
- Faithsbro, Joss has everything to do with everything. He doesn't tell us exactly how many lines of dialogue to write, but Joss and all the writers discuss who is in each scene, what those scenes are about, and how they're structured before a writer goes away to write the draft. It's all done with him or by him.
And, I'm afraid I must go now. Good talking to you all. 'Night.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:09:06 1999 171.217.133.33)
Is Fury lurking? Where, where? Oh, Daaaaavvvviiiid? Hmmmm. Nuthin'.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:07:25 1999 205.188.192.58)
- Once again, I suck with colour.
I apologize if I don't answer everyone. To learn about writing for TV, I suggest starting by reading as many scripts and books about screenwriting as you can get. And study what you love to watch. Maybe take a course?
Oh and Chris, yes, I'm from Toronto. AngleMan, good to hear it's not too cold there. I'm coming up in a few weeks.
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 23:02:35 1999 24.130.16.156)
Malista - just ordered "Hilary & Jackie", that's pretty much all they had
Theatergirl - can't wait to see you in your hot garb...
Peri - *perfect* sense no worries
OK, for the sake of Joey's bladder I must begone.
bye to Tracey and Lurking Fury
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:59:51 1999 205.188.192.53)
- Chris -- Hi! Guess we haven't met. Do you ever come by the office?
Everyone-- thank you for your nice thoughts on Something Blue. And, I know, appreciate and love that you love our characters. :-)
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:53:29 1999 24.130.16.156)
Beth aka Peri - a score CD is in the works. And thanks.
Bruces Mom - scroll below... I'm involved but only in a supervisory capacity these days.
Slayergrl99 - thanks
Solas - John Williams yes, James Horner, how can I put this, no.
greengirl - "self, you are doing a fine job"
must go soon, Joey needs to pee
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:53:04 1999 205.188.192.38)
- Questions... How did I adapt to writing for Buffy? Well, when any writer joins a show, they do everything they can to learn about all the existing eps and fall in love with the characters and stories. I tried. I fell in love (heck, I was in love already). I'm still learning.
Is Buffy a difficult family to grow up in? Well...yeah, my "Dad" is a genius...
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:49:28 1999 24.130.16.156)
Hi Tracey Forbes, we've never met. I was born in Montreal but have lived in Calgary and Toronto as well... heard a rumour (note spelling) you're Canadian.
Charity - thanks, if you mean "Angel", I'll pass on the kind words to Rob.
AjO - I gave permission but really... that's meaningless since I don't own the music. They asked if it was OK with me and said "sure". I always made it clear that Fox owns the music, although I feel a site like the CBCC is pretty darn harmless. but that's just my opinion.
Jennie - perhaps you might try rephrasing your question. My tiny brain had trouble parsing that.
Malista - no, actually, I forgot to look for it, but now that you've reminded me, I'm going over to amazon right now.
night Owl - wow, that sounds cool. Thanks. I mean no harm to anyone really. And hi to Circe should she be scroloing tomorrow AM. Oh and Circe if you do ever get your hands on the FSM review (you know which one) e me, I'll e you my fax number, and maybe you could fax it to me.
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:40:00 1999 24.130.16.156)
Theater Girl / Madrigal - long time no see. uhh, I tried calling you, but your secretary said you were booked solid for weeks... you buyin that?
Oh, speaking of, to answer someone else's question for Rob earlier, the woman singing the vocals on tonight's "Angel" was Elin Carlson.
Solas - Easy question. Favorite TV composer - Mark Snow. (Oh and Rob Kral too!) Film composers - Thomas Newman, Eliot Goldenthal, Danny Elfman, David Hirschfelder (your fellow countryman).
kim! - That sounds intersting, is it any good?
VT - well, if I had a show to work on I'd be working (hear that Joss?). And what, *that* is my allotment for ass kissing? I guess we'll have to move on to other body parts then.
slay_me - I wonder that myself. And to repeat myself from before this season started, you don't even know the half of it.
Jasmen, Simply I - thank you.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:39:29 1999 205.188.192.41)
- Hi all. Back. Wiped the tears from my face after a tremendous Angel ep, and read some of your posts. Have trust in Joss, David G. and everyone. There's great stuff coming.
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:33:28 1999 24.130.16.156)
Lots of questions for Rob, looks like y'all scared him off.
Assuming everybody loves everybody, Rob will be more or less taking over the show on his own at some point in the future. It's been a gradual process throughout the season, but with the exception of a few music cues in IWRY (you know which ones) Rob has handled the Angel scoring pretty much on his own for three or four episodes now. I'm still gonna hover around a little while longer so's my clients don't feel too abandoned, but unless things go terribly wrong, Rob should be taking fully over early in the new year.
I'll coax him back here soon, not to worry.
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:23:40 1999 24.130.16.156)
- Damn Internet Explorer. Let's try that again in Netscape.
VT you can stop crying.
Thanks to Kestrel, Witchy Woman, ButterFFLYANgel, horizon, haven, jocklarry, Liddie, Jenny, banananana, Sasheer, C, CHRIS, Foxxed, Angela lpo, Swoop, Buffyenta, Brandi the Slayer, Strawberries, Kiera, slay_me, Oki'llbyte, Amaranth,
MeeB - ep 10 you get to see... mid Dec I think? Truly outstanding filmmaking by any stretch. And I get to be a *big* part of it. And thanks for the compliments re: last week. the Riley/Buffy guitar bass may not be long for this world though. The acoustic guitar just doesn't seem... Buffy. We shall see.
Vaedus - nada on the MP3 Angel theme. Sorry.
OK everyone's asking me about ep 10. The TV Guide summary has most of what you need to know to understand my plight. You can find it somewhere below, in the middle of Joss' posts. SPOILERIt's called "Hush".SPOILER
I see Rob posted. Must give him color codes.
Mesuvius - the lack of CBCC is as much a mystery to me as anybody.
AjO - I love Debussy, Stravinsky, Bartok, John Adams, Ravel, Wagner... the list goes on...
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 22:22:09 1999 24.130.16.156)
OK, back here I am. Did some
scrolling.
VT you can stop crying.
Thanks to Kestrel, Witchy Woman,
ButterFFLYANgel, horizon, haven,
jocklarry, Liddie, Jenny,
banananana, Sasheer, C, CHRIS,
Foxxed, Angela lpo, Swoop,
Buffyenta, Brandi the Slayer,
Strawberries, Kiera, slay_me,
Oki'llbyte, Amaranth,
MeeB - ep 10 you get to see...
mid Dec I think? Truly
outstanding filmmaking by any
stretch. And I get to be a *big*
part of it. And thanks for the
compliments re: last week. the
Riley/Buffy guitar bass may not
be long for this world though.
The acoustic guitar just doesn't
seem... Buffy. We shall see.
Vaedus - nada on the MP3 Angel
theme. Sorry.
OK everyone's asking me about ep
10. The TV Guide summary has
most of what you need to know to
understand my plight. You can
find it somewhere below, in the
middle of Joss' posts. SPOILER
It's called "Hush".
SPOILER
I see Rob posted. Must give him
color codes.
Mesuvius - the lack of CBCC is as
much a mystery to me as anybody.
AjO - I love Debussy, Stravinsky,
Bartok, John Adams, Ravel,
Wa
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- Robert J. Kral says:
(Tue Nov 30 21:28:48 1999 63.209.94.93)
- As Chris Beck mentioned above I
wrote the music for the HERO
episode. Doyle's my favorite
character so it was quite an
emotional ride. SPOILER FOLLOWS
Most of you are indicating your
emotinal reactions to the
episode. Imagine seeing it 50
times whilst writing the music. I
was something of an emotional
wreck during and after working on
it, since Doyle was my favorite
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 21:02:19 1999 152.201.182.35)
Thanks for all the kind greetings. Sorry if I missed questions. Will return. But Joss thinks I'm working now, plus "Angel" just started and I hear it's a corker. See ya!
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 21:01:07 1999 24.130.16.156)
Quick hi to Tim, didn't see you
there at first.
Back after "Angel".
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:50:36 1999 152.201.182.35)
- A bit spoilerish?
Angela -- I'll be checking in. Have my room ready. Clean towels, please.
Lurker -- to a scum sucking nazi demon, a vampire is a half breed because it was once an actual human. These nazis are just down right bigoted, if you ask me.
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- joss says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:41:45 1999 205.188.192.176)
- Beck, I'll be done editing 10 on thurs but you can have a copy tomorrow if you like. You've got your work cut out of you.
About Willow and her pain... the idea behind this ep was when a perfectly nice person is in a lot of pain, eventually they take it out on the people around them. Of course, i have merely OBSERVED this phenomenon, I have never accutally DONE it. It's not that the gang is insensitive, but when you're in pain you forget everyone else has problems too. And then you become a vengeance demon like me -- I mean, like that fellow I observed. Uh, I gotta go.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:41:11 1999 152.201.182.35)
CCliffd, if that really is your name... no tip of the hat to my past, that. The "Dark Avenger" was pure David Fury. Something we cannibalized from another script. Yes, we eat our own. Hello to all. And yes, my next ep is ep 11. Don't let any commie spoil it for ya. Just tune in, won't you?
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:33:17 1999 152.201.182.35)
AngelMan, thanks for that.
'stina, now I'm blue.
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:25:34 1999 24.130.16.156)
- Oh hey it's Joss.
Into lurk mode I go.
But first...
Joss... more time for ep 10. Pretty please? You read what I said about the inventive part didn't you? And I didn't even know you were going to post! :)
- Chris
lurking until Joss leaves
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:24:10 1999 152.201.182.35)
Look, just because they pay me to write don't mean I can spell... sheesh, what an introduction.
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- Tim Minear says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:22:51 1999 152.201.182.35)
- Spolier...
Kiwi -- the Beacon destroyed anything with human blood. Prue humans or any permuation of human. This is why the First Mate went bye-bye.
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- joss says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:21:16 1999 205.188.192.171)
- On the Buffy tip, seing the comments about the Buffy Riley thing. Some people think they're just too cute and fluffy. Well, maybe I think it would be nice for Buffy to have an easy, stable relationship for once that doesn't cause her any grief, doesn't become dark and confusing so she can have some peace!
Or maybe I'm Joss...
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- Chris Beck (composer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:19:27 1999 24.130.16.156)
- Two quick things:
- I know we're all talking about ep. 9 of both shows... but I just had a look at Buffy 10, which is quite possibly the most inventive hour of television I have ever seen. I wish I had more time for the score. In fact item one on tmorrow's agenda is to ask, no, beg for more time. It's an entire opera's worth of music. A month wouldn't be enough time.
- 100% of tonight's music (including that beautiful "hero" theme) in "Angel" was composed by Robert J. Kral. I gave him a few suggestions here and there but he's the guy. And he turned in an amazing score. So please direct kudos to him tonight.
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- joss says:
(Tue Nov 30 20:18:01 1999 205.188.192.171)
- Well. Some responses from our eastern contingent. A lot of people want to kill me (a little disturbing), one person wants to eat me with a spoon (less hostile, still a little distturbing) and one wants to lick me to death (very disturbing, but oddly compelling...). Yes Doyle is dead. We killed him. Sorry about that. And yes, next week Wesley will be doing a stint on the show, obviously a very different vibe than Doyle. Hope you like, cuz Alexis makes me laugh an insane amount. We've got even more plans to shake the show up, just wait.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:47:33 1999 205.188.199.174)
- Oooh, gotta run. Someone in the office is having a birthday and where there's cake, there's my mouth. Bye all. I'll try to come back on later.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:45:19 1999 205.188.199.174)
- Well, it was easy to become a Canadian writer. First, I was born in Canada. Second, I wrote stuff. :-) But, to be a Canadian and work on an American show meant having an agent in LA and a whole process of flying down for meetings a few times, then with the immigration...blah. It was a big ol' deal.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:41:43 1999 205.188.199.174)
- oops with the colour.
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:41:04 1999 205.188.199.174)
- So thrilled you're all liking it. Hello to everyone. How's my hometown weather today? Gee, it's warm and sunny here...
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- Tracey Forbes (Writer) says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:33:45 1999 205.188.199.174)
- Okay...3 VIPs in one day.
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:29:21 1999 152.163.213.57)
- Okay, some of you have shamed me back to work. Enjoy tonight's shows.
SPOILER FOR ANGEL -
DOYLE DOESN'T DIE. IT'S ALL BEEN A BIG PUBLICITY STUNT.
END SPOILER
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:25:18 1999 152.163.213.57)
- Kenickie - Who was the other VIP?
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:24:01 1999 152.163.213.57)
- Sorry. Slave2Faith.
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:22:40 1999 152.163.213.57)
- And hi, Harris
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:22:07 1999 152.163.213.57)
- Hi SlavetoFaith Carrie
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:14:58 1999 152.163.213.57)
- Hey! My name lights up now! Thanks, Apollo. (Wherever you are.)
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- Fury says:
(Tue Nov 30 17:13:13 1999 152.163.213.57)
- Is someone chanting my name? I can't get any work done with all that racket.
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- Erika Amato (Velvet Chain) says:
(Tue Nov 30 12:38:48 1999 209.178.159.193)
- REALLY quick...
StG: OH, no... Thank you so much for telling me. I will e-mail her immediately. I knew she was very ill. I'm glad you told me. And I know! You and I keep missing each other... Ack.
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- Erika Amato (Velvet Chain) says:
(Tue Nov 30 12:36:04 1999 209.178.159.193)
- Oh-oh...looks like I gotta go! Ack!
Fuschia: Hi! And thanks! =) You rock.
princess_daria: lol...I'd never touch him, sweeite. Just looking. And laughing! I'm great, thanks. But really busy. And I really shouldn't be posting, so I gotta go! lol
Cosmic Bob: Hi! And we're hoping to tour in the Fall of 2000. Yay!
KAT: Sure! Send away!
Shadowslayer: Hello! yes, it has beem a while, hasn't it? I'm fine, thank you. (I know you worry.) Just busy.
So sorry to post and run, but I just noticed the time, and I have so much to get done today! See you guys later!
OH!!! And if anyone has a VC page you'd like to have linked at the official Velvet Chain website, just e-mail me the URL!!! Thanks!
~Erika
Velvet Chain
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- Erika Amato (Velvet Chain) says:
(Tue Nov 30 12:27:42 1999 209.178.159.193)
- Hi, StG! =) Just felt like saying howdy.
Kenickie:Well, OK, but how about an ad for our yahoo club? Hmmmmmm? Or our website? Or Viva La Diva? (I feel so neglected. *sigh*) OK, guys, we have a club at yahoo, and here's the link: Angel's Velvet Chain Site It was started by a Bronzer - AngelRules99. =)
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- Erika Amato (Velvet Chain) says:
(Tue Nov 30 12:23:07 1999 209.178.159.193)
- Kenickie: Hehe..hi! The gig on the 12th was GREAT, and then we did a last-minute gig at the House of Blues on the 22nd, which was a lot of fun, and our next show (also the LAST of the year - I won't say "milennium," because as I'm sure you know, the millenium ends on Dec 31, 2000...NEXT year) is on Dec 8th, the day after my birthday! =)
Absinthe: Hello! Well, that's ok...you eat well on Christmas, don't you? ;-)
EviLSIT: Hi! Glad to have read the explanaition of your name. I was confused for a l-o-n-g time. lol
Kendra: I abolutely loved the crossover. Thought it was brilliant. Perfect combo of a funny "Buffy" and an emotional rollercoaster "Angel." woo-hoo!
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- Erika Amato (Velvet Chain) says:
(Tue Nov 30 12:14:01 1999 209.178.159.193)
- Happy Buffy Tuesday, everybody! =) Can't wait for tonight's ep...looks like a scream! (And we all know how I feel about Spike...hehehe)
Hopeeveryone had a great Turkey Day... =)
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- Tim Minear says: