Bronze VIP Archive for May 4, 2000
Warning! Possible Spoilers!!
- joss says:
(Thu May 4 18:20:31 2000 205.188.199.44)
- Fear not for Giles,
he too will have cool stuff next
year. You're all gonna see some
changes. I may bathe. But more
importantly, we're commited to
keeping it in the family, really
giving the whole ensemble more to
do. That's as much of the
mission statement for next year
as I can reveal. But we're
psyched.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 18:12:38 2000 205.188.199.44)
- Let's talk sweaty.
And censors. (cabbages and kings
is a different chat room). Are
we forced to cut things between
Willow and Tara? Well, there are
things the network will not allow
us to show. As for example
kissing. Does this bother me?
Actually, no, and I'll tell you
why. Restrictions are often a
writer's best friend -- they
force him to be CREATIVE. The
spell scene in 16 was on one
level a sex scene, on another
level not. It was (barely)
subtle compared to smootchin' and
rompin'. The blowing out of the
candle was lovely and poetical,
as opposed to the more pedestrian
smooctchies. Look at Buffy and
Riley. All their sheeted
shenanegins leave most people
cold compared to the tension
between Willow and Tara (not
EVERYONE, but...) Part of what
made Buffy and ANGEL so hot was
what they COULDN'T DO, becasue
frustration is sexy and the
imagination is sexier than
anything (with the possible
exception of womanboobies).
Buffy and Riley get to have an
active sex life, we get to
(tastefully) show it, and it's
not as compelling. so go,
censors. We love working harder.
Makes us better writers.
As for Bufy and Ry, I'd just like
to say that while lots o' sex to
the detriment of the rest of your
life WAS a big part of college
for many people I know, it wasn't
for everybody. ep 18 wasn't
really about th' sex, it was
about the fallout from ignoring
your friends -- i.e. the ignoring
of people NOT having sex 24-7.
So it was supposed to contain
both experiences. Uh huh.
Long post. Many words.
Oh, and ep 22 contains a fairly
amusing way of dealing with
restrictions. You'll see.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 17:58:39 2000 205.188.199.44)
- Computer working not.
Sorry. Post was funny the first
time, a little stale the second
time (but at least it was GREEN).
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 17:57:15 2000 205.188.199.44)
- Hey, slave. You know,
a lot of my best friends are gay,
but you probably just haven't met
the right man.
IN OTHER NEWS, it's been far too
long since I gloated massively
about the fact that I know what's
going to happen on Buffy and you
all don't. It's so cool! We're
breaking the arcs for next year
and I actually think you guys
will be made happy. And,
hopefully, miserable. Of course,
the most important thing is that
Willow will be wicked gay but NOT
AT ALL JEWISH. And (no, wait,
this part is true) Much more for
our stalwart boys, Xander and
Spike, to do. No, really.
As for ANGEL, mostly just
yodelling and towel snapping.
Gonna be a let-down.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 17:49:13 2000 205.188.199.44)
Hey, slave. You know,
a lot of my best friends are gay,
but you probably just haven't met
the right man.
IN OTHER NEWS, it's been far too
long since I gloated massively
about the fact that I know what's
going to happen on Buffy and you
all don't. It's so cool! We're
breaking the arcs for next year
and I actually think you guys
will be made happy. And,
hopefully, miserable. Of course,
the most important thing is that
Willow will be wicked gay but NOT
AT ALL JEWISH. And (no, wait,
this part is true) Much more for
our stalwart boys, Xander and
Spike, to do. No, really.
As for ANGEL, mostly just
yodelling and towel snapping.
Gonna be a let-down.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 17:33:39 2000 205.188.199.44)
- Again I appear, happy
to see the swell of support for
th' beauteous Amber. Interested
in the theory that the wave of
homophobia tues night was
actually a planned effort. My
question: Did they INSTRUCT them
all to be illiterate? 'Cause I
found the corrolation between
bigotry and crappy-ass sentence
structure to be kind of amusing.
(Bad grammer is NOT the same as
my horrible typing. Don't lump
me with those FREAKS.) Just
wondrin'.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 06:20:19 2000 152.163.204.186)
- gotta fly. see you
soon.
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Torture!
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 06:14:15 2000 152.163.204.186)
- Not much.... time
left.... must... drive Kai to
airport... But... on subjects
other than my sensitive, noble
and politically motivated
commitment to hot girl-on-girl
action, I've heard some
grumblings about all the
pre-marital sex on the show.
Personally, I don't see the
problem. I believe that
POST-marital sex is a sin
(something Kai's getting angrier
and angrier about -- what's her
problem?), but as for the
sweatyization of BUFFY, we the
writer types just felt that was a
natural stage in the development
of young adults. A college
thing. It lacks the tortured
romance thing, sorry, but it just
felt realistic. But don't worry!
There's always torure on the
horizon!
Yay, torture!
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 06:04:12 2000 152.163.204.186)
- Since we're on the
subject of cool chicks, let's
take a moment for Marti. loved
that script. Loved that candle
bit at the end, romantic to the
nth.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 05:56:23 2000 152.163.204.186)
- Just scrolled about
to read AMBER'S posts. She is
the cool one. As for her extreme
beauty, well, that's a given.
People were dissing her weight?
TAhahahhahahahaha. She is the
shape of goodness. Actually, she
does look even thinner in person
-- saw her yesterday and thought
she might be losing weight and
thought: if she ends up getting
TV skinny I'll leave the damn
show. Her body is... come to
think of it, I'm VERY VERY
MARRIED and have NO OPINION about
Amber's body. But saying she has
a weight issue is like saying
Julia Roberts is too scowly.
Grrrr.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 05:39:24 2000 152.163.204.186)
- Okay, let's do this.
For real: how @#$%&ing
disappointed was I in the
American public after tuesday
night? Of course I realize the
rabidly homophobic posting
contingent represents a smaller
percentage of americans than the
EVIL GAYS they were posting
about, but that's not it. It's
the fact that everyone went nuts
about it THIS WEEK, when this has
clearly been going on for MONTHS?
Did anyone see the spell scene in
episode 16? Hello? It's the not
the bigotry that offends me, it's
the lack of filmic insight.
Okay, and the bigotry. But of
course there were just as many
voices raised in support of the
arc as against, which was swell.
Plus one post from a gay or
questioning teen saying the show
helped them is worth six hundred
hate letters.
And the fact is, stirring up
controversy is sort of fun. It's
just that I never actually set
out to do that. To me, jhaving a
character that is open to
exploring their sexuality is
about the same as having a girl
hero -- just something natural
and cool. Here's the word: Tara
not gonna disappear. She's part
of the show, part of Willow's
life. i'm not saying everything
will be sunshine and roses (not
on MY show, dammit), but there is
more to explore with the two of
them. And hopefully, this
NONSENSE will die down, because I
'm not TRYING to make a political
statement. I NOD OFF during
political statements. My show is
about emotion. Love is the most
powerful, messy, delightful and
dangerous emotion. (Although I
think envy is kind of the
sexiest.) Willow's in love. I
think it's cool.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 05:24:35 2000 152.163.204.186)
- She who lurks, me
agree. Amber lovely. She and
Aly sweet chemistry. Plus, GUYS,
Seth leave show! Do movies! Oz
not gone forever, but Seth leave
show! Some of you may say that's
not reason enough for Willow's
change, but as a matter of fact
when Seth left I turned gay too,
and so did most of the camera
crew, so in your face.
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- joss says:
(Thu May 4 05:13:54 2000 152.163.204.186)
- Is it safe? Can I
come out?
Okay. Let's be frank. Last
Tuesday's episode was pretty
controversial, and a real
eye-opener for me. And despite
my fervent hatred of criticism, I
do understand when I've made a
mistake. I thought the Willow
arc made sense for her character,
but the fact is, most people
AREN'T like that, and it's hard
for most normal people to
understand a lifestyle that less
than 10% of the population
embrace. I don't want to be
about issues -- I just want to
tell a story I think will engage
and challenge, and this time I
think I missed the mark. So I'm
just hoping people understand
we're feeling our way along here.
We ARE listening. So we're going
to shift away from this whole
lifestyle chioce Willow has made.
Just wipe the slate. From now
on, Willow will no longer be a
Jew. And I think we can all
breathe easier.
Joss.
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- Jymm Thomas (Darling Violetta) says:
(Thu May 4 02:14:46 2000 63.255.42.6)
- Last one o' the night...may make tomorrow...
stream of conscieness style:
I have a tape (god-awful).
Hollywood is all about who you know! *g*
pics can be sent to our site (many addys there) at www.darlingvioletta.com...I have one of those cheesy yahoo accounts that gets full if you type more than three lines so I won't give ya that one.
I'm flattered!
I've played since I was 12 but it's never to late to start with anything if you really want to do it.
the buffy soundtrack snub is the stuff of legend...record label politics or something.
sucking up to people is good! *g* (see above comment on how hollywood works *g*)
gotta go now as i've lost the strength to even use upper case letters!
night all!
sorry if i missed anyone
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- Jymm Thomas (Darling Violetta) says:
(Thu May 4 01:54:10 2000 63.255.42.6)
- fingers as tired as brain so sorry so rude tonight...
A cello it is.
I'm from Darling Violetta who does the Angel theme (mesa playin' geetar) and we were also the band onstage when Faith first showed up on Buffy.
I see dead sheeple!
Ska Parade was cool! The sound was a bit iffy but that's rock 'n' roll.
Gotta jet (SOON) but here for a couple more!
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- Jymm Thomas (Darling Violetta) says:
(Thu May 4 01:43:32 2000 63.255.42.6)
- Kenix: 'tis a fine thing you have there (the CD I mean *g*. Don't get any ideas now that Flossie's gone, ya tart! *g*)
Sorry we missed you when you were here last month.
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- Jymm Thomas (Darling Violetta) says:
(Thu May 4 01:37:34 2000 63.255.42.6)
- Yo! Yo! Yo!
It's WAYYYY past my bedtime but I'm no liar and Kenickie'd better be around (me scroll?!) cuz I need my beauty rest (not that it'd help any)!
SO's to all my friends and those who will be! I no longer have a computer but I hijacked one a few minutes and here I be!
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 01:16:04 2000 172.131.234.204)
- Thank you guys sooooo much. I feel a lot better. I talked to Joss today and he told me about the whole sexual preference CONTROVERSY thing, but neglected to mention the tara bashing stuff. I went online to see what was up and was just flabbergasted, ya know? I guess I'm still a big kid 'cause it stung. thanks for the cheer up Kenickie and Crimson and the rest of you guys. I guess I needed a little drool. Well, i'm gonna hit the hay. Thanks again. You late night babes (all of you!) are definitely my type.
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 01:06:05 2000 172.131.234.204)
- You "hottie" guys are good for a lesbian witches ego. And a very tired, worn out from work actress's ego, as well.
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 01:02:54 2000 172.131.234.204)
- Krazykat, tell little willow I'm sorry I missed her on the board tonight. She and I have been trading emails about the site. It would have been cool to talk in real time.
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:58:37 2000 172.131.234.204)
It's so strange to know that I met a number of you at the posting board party. There were soo many wonderful people there and I had such a great time. I hope Tara stays sweet and nice and witchy. I hope people realize it's only a show and there's no need to be up in arms over the homosexual content. Love is beautiful whether it's between a man and a woman or any variant of that combo ( man and man woman and woman demons and ADAM)
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:51:14 2000 172.131.234.204)
It's hard not to feel fat in this business. But I just want everyone to know that the girls I work with are SUper nice. Very supportive and they don't look as skinny in real life. I just ahve bigger boobs ;)
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:44:19 2000 172.131.234.204)
I keep trying the color thing. Sooooo frustrating. Just a ditz, i guess:) You guys are so sweet out there. you make me wanna cry... I'm still waiting for the all gay, all naked ep next season. Grips and all. But you guys are gonna LUV the finale. It's sooooo cool. Can't tell any more, but it was FUN to shoot!
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:40:23 2000 172.131.234.204)
- [VRED] Little Willow rocks. She's done A+ job on my website. Hellos to Icelord and everyone else I've met and talked to. You're not a stalker. I feel like the cheap, fake stalker not being in color. But oh well. Oh and ask anyone about the massive sunburn I got working on the finale. Ouch!
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:35:54 2000 172.131.234.204)
Last time I was here I lambasted myself with the whole New Kids On the Block thing. I am SOOO happy to be me and look the way I look. I just don't want anyone else out there to feel bad about that stuff. It's so trivial. Still don't know what was up with the hiding under the bed thing, but Joss is the Man and he will let us all know in due time. <<
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- amber benson says:
(Thu May 4 00:30:56 2000 172.131.234.204)
Gonna try my full name. But oh well, don't I feel like a heel. It just hurt my feelings soooooo much to read all that. I can deal with people not liking Tara (it's a given especially after the whole OZ going away and me taking his place thing), but the mean comments... Not a strong stomach, I guess. I just want everyone to know that what you look like doens't matter. It's what's inside (cliche, I know).
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:26:53 2000 172.131.234.204)
once again. Then I quit and just say what I feel.
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:23:51 2000 172.131.234.204)
For all naysayers. Just ask Joss if Amber saw him 3/5 for looping on the season finale the next time he posts. Okay. I'm trying to put the stupid color thing but it's just not working.
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:13:32 2000 172.131.234.204)
If the color thing doesn't work. I really don't care. It's not important.
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- amber says:
(Thu May 4 00:00:30 2000 172.131.234.204)
I've been thinking a lot about what people said about Tara on the internet after the last episode aired. At first, I was very hurt. I tried to disassociate myself from feeling bad by saying: This is Tara that they are talking about, not me.
But I couldn't. I guess it hurts when someone calls you ugly or makes nasty comments about your weight whether or not it is really YOU they are referring to. I am just a human being and I feel like I deserve to be treated as such. I also feel that Tara deserves to be treated with a little more kindness and compassion. Yes, I am not a STICK. I am a NORMAL, HEALTHY (I was gonna say Girl, but...) WOMAN. I have breasts and hips and I am very happy that they are part of me. I weigh 118 and I am 5'4". If you saw me in real life, you would think I was on the thin side. But on tv, next to my very petite costars, I do like heavier. I am PROUD to be NORMAL. A body is a beautiful thing to waste. Believe me, I have seen enough of my friends and peers waste away to NOTHING so that they could work in this industry. So that they could perpetuate the LIE that ANOREXIA is Beautiful. IT IS NOT. YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL. ALL OF YOU. Just for being. You all can judge me and Tara for being 'fat', 'gay' and 'shy'. I suppose that my being on tv gives you that right. But I DO NOT have to read what you say. I have enjoyed being a lurker. But my feelings just can't take the criticism. Those of you (you know who you are) with sensitivity will understand. Thank you for sticking up for us. Tara and I both appreciate it. I think that being a beautiful, heavy, lesbian witch rocks! No matter what happens I'm glad I get the chance to walk in Tara's shoes. All you girls and guys out there who think that starving, binging and purging and exercising yourself to DEATh is gonna change how you feel inside-- It's NOT. Don't buy inot all the media crap. Love yourself for who you are, not what others THINK you should look like. It's DEFINITELY more important in this life to love each other despite our imperfections. I hope this works. Still not sure how to do this whole posting thing...
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- joss says: