Bronze VIP Archive for October 19, 2000
Warning! Possible Spoilers!!
- -mere- says:
(Thu Oct 19 13:18:31 2000 216.186.192.200)
- everyone please excuse the kung fu geeker squeals of joy...
clarrie! clarrie! clarrie! "The Legend of Fong Sai Yuk" I & II! Jet Li and lesbian ninja mom! YAY!
'k. done now.
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- -mere- says:
(Thu Oct 19 13:08:45 2000 216.186.192.200)
- okay, well, that sucked. my Mesuvius post got all et up...
to continue...
THINGS THAT ARE STILL PARTAKETHING OF LE SPOIL
Mesuvius: i'm gonna try to reconstruct my comment here, but i swear -- the first one was lucid and thought-provoking. also, i was planning to win a Nobel prize for literature with it, but, hey. you can't win 'em all. as i was saying...
i think Wes wanted to push Bethany in two ways: IMMEDIATELY and HARD. like he tells Cordy, he wanted to get her to react before she could her defenses up. they needed to discover the emotional genesis of her power, and there are only two ways you can get to someone's core: sneak attack, and prolonged siege. seeing as how this girl was so dangerous (and seeing as how the show's only 44 minutes long), prolonged siege was out. sneak attack was in.
BuffyBuff: the way i always pictured it, Lilah knew where Bethany's father was the whole time, but didn't tell him that she knew where Bethany was. when they talk about "the Trigger", as in, "Pull the Trigger," they are referring to Bethany's father. they want to get the two of them in a room together so Bethany can just go ballistic, kill the crap out of him, take that step over to the Dark Side, and thus be more malleable to their plans for her, e.g., becoming their assassin. i think Lilah probably called Bethany's father with a whole, "I'm her friend, I know where she is, and I think she needs to go back home with you" story-masquerading-as-friendly-concern thing. i don't think Bethany's father was "in" on anything -- he's just yet another W&H pawn.
OzLady: yes, the rumpled covers line was all-Joss, all-the-time. as for channeling Cordy, again, the lion's share of her dialogue was Jossian -- and he can channel these characters like no one else, considering he... you know. created them out of nothingness. i bow before him. (only when i'm not wearing a skirt, though.)
THINGS THAT ARE STILL PARTAKETHING OF LE SPOIL
"Men are all alike."
-mere-
siggy Joss and Ty
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- -mere- says:
(Thu Oct 19 13:02:43 2000 216.186.192.200)
- CRAP! CRAP CRAP CRAP!
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- -mere- says:
(Thu Oct 19 13:02:11 2000 216.186.192.200)
- okay, bear with me, folks. i haven't done the mass-posting-to-multiple-readers thing in a while, so... forgive me if i miss you.
Cosmic Bob: the story of how Joss came to direct my episode is a long one, but suffice it to say that we shot a few eps out of order, and mine just happened to be slotted in the space Joss was set to direct. witness my unhappiness about this: *Snoopy dance!* *Snoopy dance!* *Snoopy dance!*
Kiba Rika: Joss could take 100% all-natural poo and turn it into a fantastic episode, so... i guess i'm just lucky mine was only 98% poo.
thanks, squirt!
SarahNicole: um... you were bouncing up and down until you saw my name? what'd you do after you saw it? weep copious tears and rend your clothing in anguish and despair? 'cause i think you and Joss may have something in common...
Narrator: well, the first draft of the script took me a week... the second draft less... the third draft about the same... the fourth draft less... and then the final draft took, like, no time at all. 'cause Joss wrote it. thank GOD. one more draft and i would have yarked directly into my hard drive.
Minerva: i'm not really a VIP -- i just like the pretty colors, and it means free posting for everyone. ever the altruist am i. which begs the question, can one be a *misanthropic* altruist?
kawaii_Marc: believe me, i was NOT hating the sweatiness of the b-ball Marc Blucas. see, "hate" would imply that there was no salivation involved.
thank you very much, T-Bear. that means a lot.
Sarah's carl: baby, i'm always available. did that sound desperate?
Corvus: hopefully i'll be writing episode 11, but all that could change. they could, instead, fire me, beat me bloody with a 9-iron, and leave me for dead in an alley somewhere. i'm hoping for episode 11, though.
Morella: you read SPOILERS for my episode? do you even realize what you just said? that's like saying, "Hey, Mr. Bull! I'm gonna pull down my pantalones now and wave my bright red knickers at you!" spoilers are BAD, Morella. they are soul-corrupting snippets of Satan-spawned information. avoid. avoid. AVOID!
Angel: yes, i get my story ideas from pure and simple genius. i like to call him "Joss".
Circe: get... what... thing? did you send me plague again? and here's something odd -- i have read "When Rabbit Howls". i read it years ago, and didn't even think about the correlation until i saw it on the board. but i have to say, i can't deny the parallel there. maybe i really do have a subconscious... ... ... ... nah. never mind. i don't.
THINGS THAT PARTAKETH OF LE SPOIL
Meeby and Immanuel Kant: okay, so here's the thing about the "Do it. Finish it." line. in the original script, i had something akin to those lines, but i toned it down, so it looked like Angel was telling her, "Put your father down and get on with your life." we shuffled and shuffled those lines (as i recall), until Joss finally decided to go with what you saw on Tuesday night. at first i was a little leery -- foolish, foolish -mere-, who should know to Trust In Joss by now -- but when i saw the scene as it was being shot, i realized that this was the "correct" way to end the scene. "correct" in the sense of, Angel knows what kind of hell Bethany's been through -- especially after what i've come to think of as "The Chambermaid Speech". [insert effulgent Joss-praise here.] Angel knows that this girl has been violated, that violence is a core component of what makes Bethany who she is. if he had said something all pansy-like (i.e., "Put your father down and get on with your life."), i think Bethany would've rebelled, tossed her father out the window and NOT caught him. but Angel realized that he needed to give Bethany the freedom to make the choice herself... hoping she would make the right one. and sometimes that's all there is: hope. there are no certainties, no assurances that someone will do the right thing -- you just... hope. and while that may seem kind of insubstantial and, at times, dangerous -- that's human nature. nothing black and white. all shades of gray.
Mesuvius: i think Wes wanted to push Bethany in two ways: IMMEDIATELY and HARD. like he tells Cordy,
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- Jymm Thomas (Darling Violetta) says:
(Thu Oct 19 12:33:13 2000 165.121.119.140)
- oops! that link'll take you to www.darlingvioletta.com!
Ciao
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- Jymm Thomas (Darling Violetta) says:
(Thu Oct 19 12:32:10 2000 165.121.119.140)
- Superfast drive-by and OUT...
Hey all!
HAD to post major congrats to MERE on quite the stellar ep of Angel!
MapB: I asked Steve Carter on Friday, "what's this about you and a light socket in the UK?" and he just smiled while Tad guffawed!
Major congrats to Chris Beck on his new arrival!!
I know I'm probably forgetting something...
Oh yeah, for all you LA folks: DV at Club Antiquity at The Gig West LA on Oct. 26th.
More info at
Kenickie swears that he'll stage dive!
Out like a trout...
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- -mere- says:
(Thu Oct 19 12:10:45 2000 216.186.192.200)
- ooh! ooh! i wanna play!
BEST MOVIES
- Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
- Mildred Pierce
- All About Eve
- L.A. Confidential
- American Beauty
- Say Anything
- The Matrix
FAVORITE MOVIES
- The Professional
- Fist of Legend
- Grosse Pointe Blank
- Annie Hall
- Good Will Hunting
- Any movie with Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Leslie Cheung, Bridget Lin, Gong Li, or Francoise Yip i, uh... may be in the minority on this one.
GOOD MOVIES YOU'VE NEVER SEEN
- Love and Basketball
- Living in Oblivion which has one of my favorite exchanges of all time:
"You were in my dream."
"Was I freaking out?"
"Actually, you were."
"Great. I'm freaking out in your dream, freaking out in my dream... no wonder I'm so f***ing exhausted."
- Plunkett & MacLeane
- The Bride with White Hair
- The Stormriders
BAD, BAD MOVIES THAT SUCK
- The Ninth Gate
- Desert Heat (don't ask. it's Jean-Claude.)
- The Ninth Gate
- The Bride with White Hair II
- The Ninth Gate
Roman Polanski owes me $8.00
-mere-
sigJT
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- -mere- says:
(Thu Oct 19 11:56:39 2000 216.186.192.200)
- hey, gang!
i've been reading the "Angel" discussions with some avidity -- okay, i've been reading them greedily -- and am beyond pleased by the reactions, questions, and issues "Untouched" brought up.
SPOILERS FOR "UNTOUCHED" - RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
the ending, in which Bethany does NOT kill her father, was my idea. at first it was just about, "wouldn't it be cool if she, like, threw him out of a 50-story building?" and then i thought, "oh, but wouldn't it be cooler if she STOPPED him before he hit the ground?" i'd love to say that the theme of being-a-better-person-than-your-abuser was the catalyst for the idea, but in truth, the idea came first, and then i went, "oh, that's all themey!" and of course, the 50-story building became Angel's hotel, but i think it played just as well.
SPOILERS FOR "UNTOUCHED" - RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
"One more excuse and I'll bury you alive. Next to my house so I can hear you screaming."
-mere-
sigJT
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